Parents of both boys still together?

As far as I am aware, yes. Which is a testament to the strength of their marriages, really, because often you see families fall apart after a tragedy of this magnitude and/or after the loss of a child..

Do you know Klebold`s house address?

Yup, it’s in this post. They didn’t move from this place the way the Harrises did, so the home Dylan lived in is still their home now.

I thought Dylan had drowned in his own blood after a botched headshot attempt. I don’t remember where I read about it. I could be wrong though.

By and large correct. =) Aspiration blood was found in his lower airway and lungs, according to his autopsy, which means that Dylan was alive for at least moments after the shot that was intended to be fatal. Patrick Ireland reported in his testimony that he woke up with ringing ears and recalled hearing what he thought was a coughing sound from a male, which is commonly assumed to have been Dylan given the timing of that statement. It’s debatable if Dylan was actually conscious during this ordeal, though. The coughing could have been an involuntary body response while his mind was already mostly checked-out and unconscious of the experience.

Did the boys count to three when they took themselves out? Or did they just agree it was time and kinda went for it? Also, do you think there was any reasoning behind the both of them doing it different ways? Like why 1 decided the mouth and 1 decided the temple ?

They did not count to three. The countdown is one of the more persistent rumours alongside the “she said yes”-myth. In August ’99, a Rocky Mountain News article appeared in which there was a statement from Patti Nielson saying that she had heard voices counting to three followed up by a loud boom. This prompted investigators Battan and Boatright to contact Patti Nielson again, considering the fact that she had not said a word about this in her original testimonies to law enforcement in the months before. Patti Nielson spoke with Boatright over the phone and told them that she had not been in touch with these reporters. However, she did say that it’s possible somebody else had spoken to them and relayed something she’d said. Patti Nielson spoke with a lot of people post-massacre and, at one point, stated that she could have envisioned a scenario in which Eric and Dylan had counted to three before shooting themselves simultaneously. It was pure speculation on her part with no basis in reality, supported by the fact that neither Lisa Kreutz or Patrick Ireland reported hearing the countdown or simultaneous gunshots.

It is commonly assumed that Eric died at least a little while before Dylan did. Whether the pause inbetween one gunshot and the other was that of seconds or minutes is something I can’t really speculate on, but the positions they were found in (with Dylan’s head resting on Eric’s leg) do seem to suggest that the suicides were not simultaneous and that Eric died before Dylan did. (Thus, also, putting the idea to rest that Dylan was killed by Eric.) I believe that Dylan took a little while longer in putting his belongings in a neat little pile and perhaps also lighting that Molotov cocktail found on the table nearby. He was ritualising the experience, whereas Eric was just taking himself out unflinchingly. I think they agreed that it was time, that there was nothing left to do.. I think they walked to that area they died in together, though I don’t think they spoke much with one another in that time. I don’t think there was a lot left to say.

And, yes, I feel like there is a strong reasoning behind the different ways in which they shot themselves. It speaks volumes about who they were as people, too. Dylan had been contemplating suicide openly for years. He gave a strong voice to it during the time that he was alive and it is entirely possible for him to have contemplated different scenarios for himself in doing so. I believe that there was a romantic notion associated with the act of suicide, a blissful notion of finally being at peace, and that this was something he wanted to make visible to the ones he left behind. A temple shot can go wrong, certainly, but I believe it would be more preferable to Dylan’s sensibilities. Dylan was able to have an open casket funeral, thus also providing a measure of closure toward his loved ones in seeing him more or less unscathed and peaceful in death. =) Eric, on the other hand, vocalised suicidal notions only when prompted in diversion and in association with his plans for NBK. He never spoke about wanting to die, never openly flirted with the idea the way Dylan did. It is my impression of Eric that he pushed his suicidal feelings down inside of himself. I have a feeling that they rose up in him uncontrollably when everything was going wrong on what should’ve been something he envisioned as one of the best days of his life. Quite a few people, including myself, have said that Eric’s manner of suicide speaks of how much he truly hated himself: he is careless with himself, with the way he leaves himself behind, and almost obliterates himself in the process. The way he chose to go out is largely considered to be one of the surefire ways to die, thus also confirming his idea that he would never be dragged out of that school alive.

Zach is alive?

Last I heard, he certainly is. =) The only one out of their group of friends/acquaintances who’s no longer alive is Joe Stair.

Can you explain better this “How the boys would reat if a girl fronted them? I mean if a girl declared them.”

How am I supposed to explain something I don’t understand? As I said, I have no idea what that question means. What is fronted/declared in this context?

Is it true that Zach stole a teachers credit card and bought porn? 😂😂😂😂😂😂

It’s commonly assumed that the redacted portion from Richard Long’s statement below refers to Zach, yeah. Aside from the suicide mention and the way you can barely make out a Z at the beginning of one of the redacted parts, it is stated in the same paragraph as the mention that this redacted person was suspended alongside Eric and Dylan for stealing locker combinations in ’97. We all know their co-conspirator on that part was Zach. =)

The boys were prtective over each other? I read Dyl always was protective with Eric.

I have pretty much answered that here. Though I think you’d have Eric shouting “I don’t need protectin’!” at the top of his voice in that belligerent pick-a-fight-with-me snappish tone. I can’t see Eric pull a mama dragon on people either the way I’m prone to doing..

How the boys would reat if a girl fronted them? I mean if a girl declared them.

I have no idea what that even means? I’m quite sure you’d be able to work out a reaction for the dudes, though.. They’re pretty obvious in the way they reacted to a lot of things, predictable even, and these “what if”-scenarios are a great way of figuring out if you have a good handle on them. =)

Do you think Eric or Dylan would try to rape a girl if they were uncounsious?

I don’t think they would ever attempt to rape any girl, no matter if she was conscious or unconscious at the time. I can believe a lot out of these guys, trust me, and if you’d ask me if they’d ever torture anybody or whatever I would probably go with a firm big “yes”. But rape.. eh. Different ballpark there. It doesn’t fit with Dylan’s ideals about women by any means, and even Eric had a pretty ingrained respectful way of handling the girls he came face-to-face with.

If anything like sexual violence ran inside them, it would very likely have found some outlet in the massacre through comments or actions as the massacre released them from a lot of the inhibitions they would have had otherwise. There’s no evidence of this occurring. They treated their female victims exactly the same way they did their male victims, though their screams were probably more of a bonus to linger on than the whispered suffering of the guys in the room would be. They also don’t fit the pattern of someone like Marc Lépine, who primarily targeted women during his massacre, or Elliot Rodger, with his ‘war on women’.

Do u guys ever feel weird abt tracking down information abt eric or dylan’s family online? I think instead of seeing it as an attempt to understand them they might see it as being creepy. Certain information is publicly available but who besides a obsessed stalker would track it down? But then again it does seem like many of you are mentally, emotionally, and reality-challenged, sooooo.. just sayin ;)

*shakes head* I have never tracked down more than the information these people shared freely and only use the information that’s in the evidence and news reports from back then, so I’m not at all certain why you’re actually asking me this question as if it’s something that I engage in? I don’t go looking for anyone through social media or attempt to interact with anyone who was familiar with Eric and Dylan, as I firmly believe that everyone is entitled to their privacy and they do not need a researcher like myself getting up in their case about something painful that happened to them sixteen years ago.

Your misguided attempts at lashing out are getting more and more ridiculous. Glad to see you’ve improved your spelling just a little since you were here last (see, honey, it’s not that hard) but how about you actually tell me what this is really about? You seem to be occupying yourself with this straw-grasping on both mental and emotional levels while foregoing any actual sense of reality through the fact that you keep addressing everyone in the plural in your messages to me (oh how that little fact reminds me of the Kentucky bucket short of marbles that I snapped at a while ago) and keep pouring out nonsense vitriol that has no actual bearing in fact. Just saying.. you should know better than to engage me on anon by now. 😉

Funny how Eric said he liked “sexy” girls when none of the girls he liked were sexy or even pretty. Maybe one or two.

I actually think a lot of the girls he liked were quite pretty, as per this post here. =) With those smiles and the nice hair, sure, they’re pretty lovely! And, hey, quite a few of those girls were sweethearts with their heart in the right place. I can see why Eric liked them.

Honestly, we know these girls based off nothing but a few photos and maybe a video. We’re hardly qualified to judge how attractive they were in person, right? Also, it’s pretty crappy to shoot them all down like that based on something so superficial that’s subject to a shitload of personal taste. *shrugs* Those girls might not be your cup of tea, but they were Eric’s and fell in line with what he considered pretty/sexy.

For how long Dylan wanted to die?

He begins his journal with it. The journal entry from March ’97 includes “thinking of suicide gives me hope, that I’ll be in my place wherever I
go after this life, that I’ll finally not be at war with myself, the world,
the universe – my mind, body, everywhere, everything at PEACE”. From this vocalisation alone, you can tell that it is not the first time he has entertained the thought. From the way he writes it, it’s so casual that it presents as a fully-formed thought. It’s not something he’s waffling about in uncertainty at all. It’s not some loose thought of “I wonder what it would be like to die”. Suicidal thoughts tend to start out more insidious than this and tend to begin with things like “if I don’t wake up tomorrow, that won’t be so bad”. To actively contemplate it the way Dylan is doing here gives the impression that it is a thought he has entertained for much longer, given how it has already taken form to include thoughts of life after death and the peace it would bring him. 

I would say that it is something he began to entertain quite early on. Not as a child, perhaps, but certainly around the time he entered puberty. I get the impression that his depression is almost heriditary, given how his mother too is said to have struggled with her attempts to keep death at bay, and that it’s something that would’ve had an early onset..

I always thought Eric was a virgin but I was reading his autoposy and it said he had scratches on his back and that’s the first thing it made me think of and it just makes me wonder. What are your thoughts on this?

Where are you getting this from? His autopsy says the following about his back:

Scratches would have been described as abrasions, which is something we’re missing in this description. The soft tissue indentation it talks about is very likely to be caused by his position in death, given the fact that it is accompanied by the postmortem drying artifact (bruise or discolouration) we’ve spoken of on my blog before: any part of the body which has come into contact with a firm surface for a
period of time – such as a floor or bench top – will show signs of a dark purple discolouration
during lividity as this impression against the skin displays itself as
an indentation surrounded by gravity-pulled blood. 

Eric died a virgin. There’s no question in my head about that. He made a ‘to do’-list that included ‘get laid’ not long before the massacre and actually asks “why the fuck can’t I get any?” in his last journal entry. Couple it with Susan DeWitt’s account of their date, too, as I think that it’s a better impression of how he really was around girls he liked rather than the take-charge persona his journal presents him as. Would’ve been sweet for him had he had the experience of getting scratches of his back on a girl’s account, but unfortunately for the dude he missed out on that boat in life.

Columbine Students Talk of the Disaster and Life

Across the country, the mass shooting
again raised questions about teen-agers and
the often violent popular culture they are
immersed in. What did the assault say about
growing up today, the pressures of high
school, the fragility of teen-age identity? Did
it say anything at all?                        
                     

In an effort to find answers, The New
York Times invited eight Columbine students – four young women and four young
men – to talk about the violence in their
school and how it has changed the way they
look at the world.                        

Interesting read about everyday life at Columbine featuring Devon Adams, Jessica Cave, Richard Colbert, Andrew Fraser, Meg Hains, Nick Jackson, Jeni LaPlante, and Dustin Thurman. Shows how perspectives on the environment in that school differ across the board depending on one’s social standing and other factors, too. =)

Columbine Students Talk of the Disaster and Life

Do you think the boys argued too much? And he would be the first to say “sorry”?

Mhm, they were known to argue a few times. The Klebolds have said that
Eric would get mad at Dylan on occasion if he “screwed something up”,
and I recall that coworkers said they once had a falling-out that lasted
for a little while. I don’t really know what would constitute “too
much” in terms of arguing.. I actually think that they argued less than
normal friends would, though they certainly bickered as with the “Dylan
shut up” and shot each other down with things like “I was trying not to
laugh when you were trying to light that cigarette”.

Eric would
neverrr be the one to come out with an apology first. That wasn’t his
thing. Eric held grudges like you wouldn’t believe. If Brooks hadn’t
bridged that gap between them, it’s likely Eric would never have spoken
with him again. Eric was an expert at freezing people out, though he
kept chewing on past hurts in the privacy of his own mind. Dylan might
be the more willing one to patch things up, though I think if something
particularly hurtful was said/done Dylan would not be willing to
apologise for anything either.

Do you think the columbine community is dying out?

Hm, I don’t think it is? The trend I have noticed is mostly that people get into it for a while and then distance themselves from it months or years later. The cursory interest in the case is something they keep, but the heavy-duty blogging about it often doesn’t last. I think many people get into it and consume everything they can on it and then realise we’re not likely to see much more new stuff we didn’t know yet in future. Yet, there are so many dimensions to the case and so many more interesting things associated with the case that I think you could spend years on it and still have that satisfactory ‘research rush’ I think most of us know quite well.

Keep in mind, also, that this is a fairly young community. You’ve got some 30+ folks in here, sure, but the majority of bloggers are in their teens and twenties. A lot of us are a part of what is essentially the generation following in the wake of Columbine – growing up in a world where ‘pulling a Columbine’ is a figure of speech. The author of Generation Kill describes our current state quite beautifully as “before the ‘War on Terrorism’ began, not a whole lot was expected of this generation other than the hope that those in it would squeak through high school without pulling too many more mass shootings in the manner of Columbine”. Our dialogues, our respective stories, our places in this world.. I’m not going to say that they all lead back to Columbine, but they do centre around a lot of what this tragedy signifies and embodies. 

Wiser folks than me have said “things are only forgotten and can only die when there is not a soul left who remembers them as being alive”. Columbine is a living and breathing entity for thousands of people all across the world – how is a smaller pocket community like ours that exists within that space supposed to get to the point where it ‘dies out’? There will always be someone giving voice to it, even here.

Do you think Robyn knew something strange or bad was going to happen? Also do you think her and Dylan had an “interest” in each other?

YES. Hell yes – to the first part of your question. To the second part, I don’t really think that they really thought about taking their friendship into a different direction – I pretty much agree with this post over here on the subject. 

Regarding the first part of your question, though.. oh yes. She could definitely have known and I think that she knew in the back of her head that this might actually get bad. She went to the gun show with them and literally asked them if they weren’t going to shoot someone with these. The dudes, of course, replied with “we’re not that stupid”. Robyn assumed they were going to use the guns for hunting purposes (are you fucking serious girl) because Dylan lived ‘in the country’. The guys asked her not to tell anyone and told her they wouldn’t mention her name regarding the gun purchases. This didn’t raise her suspicions, though, because she knew it was illegal for them to even own a gun. Robyn maintains throughout the interview that she did not know about any bombmaking activities. Law enforcement does not believe a word she said about it, because she was around Eric and particularly Dylan a lot and would have known them quite well. I get the sense that she is downplaying details on purpose throughout that line of questioning, and it seems I’m not alone.

Look, it’s entirely possible she didn’t know details about the impending doom the way that I suspect guys like Nate Dykeman and Chris Morris did. But she was present for the purchases of three of the four guns they ended up using. She made a comfortable assumption about those being for hunting purposes and trusted their word they wouldn’t do anything bad with them. But neither Eric or Dylan have ever in their lives expressed a love for hunting (in fact, I think Eric’d just as soon kill the hunter rather than the animal) and it just reeks of a bullshit excuse Robyn came up with to make herself feel better about the purchases she’d been privy to. And trusting their word, for real now? Robyn, with all her intelligence and everything, couldn’t have figured out that maybe these guns were gonna be used for more nefarious purposes given the fact that the purchases were made illegally in the first place? Eric would’ve been 18 in April, he could’ve bought the damn things himself then.

If Dylan and Eric where alive to day do you think they would had normal lives?Like work, family?

They might have had that, sure? It’s hard to guess that sometimes, because we really don’t know how they would’ve been if they had stayed alive. There’s a chance that they could grow more comfortable in their own skins and have a good future, but there’s also a chance that they could stay stuck in their little windmill of hurt for a long time. I guess it would depend on where they’d go after graduation, if they’d seek any professional help for their issues, who they’d meet, things like that.. I wrote a tiny tidbit on the best case scenario here. 

Thing is, you make or break your own future. It’s not all up to your environment, though some support from it certainly helps a lot. Eric and Dylan could’ve had normal lives, sure. But they’d have to work hard for it. Real hard.

The boys had similar bracelets when died?

Yes, they did! Though, honestly, I don’t know if you can really call makeshift duct-taped match strikers bracelets.. The boys were quite inventive there, using the sandpaper-y strips you see here and strapping them to their wrists. As far as I can tell from their suicide pictures, Eric strapped his to his left wrist (being right-handed) and Dylan did the same to his right wrist (being left-handed). Those two were mirror images of each other at times, really..